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f-bodyhavoc
04-03-2006, 02:51 AM
i just learned to drive my car... and now i need to learn how to race it... I just had a few questions...
1.with the mods i have where would you guys estimate the powerband to end so i know where to shift... im getting it dyno tuned soon and ive heard they can tell me all this... but just in case
2. what rpm is good to drop the clutch from
3. i noticed when i shift to hard into second i lose complete traction, will this be better at the track after i have heated up my tires some?
4. may seem like a dumb question but how do u do a burnout with a manual... as in like staying in the water box... do u just drop the clutch and quickly move to the brake?
and any other tips when it comes to driving a manual... id like to learn it pretty quick because the track opens the 15th and I will definatly be there
FANTA-Z
04-03-2006, 02:59 AM
I dont see much headwork unless you have left that out, but you should be good to around 5800 rpm or so with that cam. You might even be able to go higher but I wouldnt risk the bearings too much cause once you get over the 6000 mark on older bearings they can become iffy. With that cam its supposed to pull from around 3K to a little over 6k.
For the clutch drop that will have to be found out on the track. Sounds like your running on street tires and if so your not going to get a lot of bite :( I would start off around 2K rpm and see what the car does. If it bogs this means your hooking up so move up 500 rpm and so on until the car spins. If it spins at 2K then drop down 500 rpm to find the happy medium that way. As far as traction at the track, yes its better than on the street but that doesnt mean its a world of difference. Please if for some reason you start spinning let out of it so the car can get traction and then get back into the gas. I have seen many accidents where people stay in the gas while spinning and all of a sudden the tires will hook and it will snap the car into the wall :( If your spinning your not going anywhere any way so your times arent going to be good. So why waste your car on a blown run anyway.
synystrgates
04-03-2006, 03:01 AM
I dont see much headwork unless you have left that out, but you should be good to around 5800 rpm or so with that cam. You might even be able to go higher but I wouldnt risk the bearings too much cause once you get over the 6000 mark on older bearings they can become iffy. With that cam its supposed to pull from around 3K to a little over 6k.
For the clutch drop that will have to be found out on the track. Sounds like your running on street tires and if so your not going to get a lot of bite :( I would start off around 2K rpm and see what the car does. If it bogs this means your hooking up so move up 500 rpm and so on until the car spins. If it spins at 2K then drop down 500 rpm to find the happy medium that way. As far as traction at the track, yes its better than on the street but that doesnt mean its a world of difference. Please if for some reason you start spinning let out of it so the car can get traction and then get back into the gas. I have seen many accidents where people stay in the gas while spinning and all of a sudden the tires will hook and it will snap the car into the wall :( If your spinning your not going anywhere any way so your times arent going to be good. So why waste your car on a blown run anyway.
Awesome advice!:crazyboun
f-bodyhavoc
04-03-2006, 03:04 AM
I dont see much headwork unless you have left that out, but you should be good to around 5800 rpm or so with that cam. You might even be able to go higher but I wouldnt risk the bearings too much cause once you get over the 6000 mark on older bearings they can become iffy. With that cam its supposed to pull from around 3K to a little over 6k.
For the clutch drop that will have to be found out on the track. Sounds like your running on street tires and if so your not going to get a lot of bite :( I would start off around 2K rpm and see what the car does. If it bogs this means your hooking up so move up 500 rpm and so on until the car spins. If it spins at 2K then drop down 500 rpm to find the happy medium that way. As far as traction at the track, yes its better than on the street but that doesnt mean its a world of difference. Please if for some reason you start spinning let out of it so the car can get traction and then get back into the gas. I have seen many accidents where people stay in the gas while spinning and all of a sudden the tires will hook and it will snap the car into the wall :( If your spinning your not going anywhere any way so your times arent going to be good. So why waste your car on a blown run anyway.
thanks for the advice, seems like i will be running it quite a few times before I really get a feel for it.... but luckily I have all summer
f-bodyhavoc
04-03-2006, 03:05 AM
I added a fourth question that I forgot to ask previously.. it may be kind of dumb... but i have only drove a manual for about 4 days now
FANTA-Z
04-03-2006, 03:08 AM
You can practice this without being at the track as well. Just go to some secluded spot and practice your launches. This will give you a better feel of where the car hooks at so you at least have a good starting point when you get to the track. Also you want to go around the water in the burnout box. Once you get around the water, back the car up but not in the water of course and then just spin the tires to clean them off before staging. You have street tires so really heating them up isnt going to do anything for you, so you just need to clean the debris off the tires before staging.
FANTA-Z
04-03-2006, 03:10 AM
I posted the above before the 4th question but it basically answers it :) You dont want to do a burnout with street tires, just turn them over real quick. Also you are correct on a manual unless you have big enough feet to do a heel toe burnout, you will need to get the rpms up a bit and dump the clutch and snap your foot over to the brake, unless of course you have a line lock that will lock the front tires for you. Keep in mind you will put some wear and tear on the clutch, brakes, and rearend when you do this :)
Oh yeah, there is never a stupid question. Or at least not on this site there isnt. The only stupid question is the one you dont ask.
f-bodyhavoc
04-03-2006, 03:13 AM
o alright... one last question
are these tires decent
http://www.caraddons.com/images/tires/Kumho_ecsta_SUPRA.jpg
i have a set of those on the back and a set of
http://customwheel.com/custom_wheels/images/STX.jpg
on the back
FANTA-Z
04-03-2006, 03:19 AM
Those tires arent bad for all weather but if your making some good power the only way to get the power to the ground is through a set of drag radials. I had the Kumhos on my car for a bit and I could light them up at will, but I liked the ride they gave the car.
f-bodyhavoc
04-03-2006, 03:23 AM
generally how much are a set of drag radials... i have an extra set of salad shooters.. would they fit on them... i dont know how hard it is to drive drag radials in the rain because this is my daily driver so i dont want to put the radials on my current zr1s
FANTA-Z
04-03-2006, 06:03 PM
Roughly around 350 bucks or less, and yes you can buy the size that will fit right on your salad shooters.
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