98 to 02 roof bubbling

[2001somws6]

On all 98 to 2002 f-bodys. The glue used to apply the sheet metal is melting and causing bubbles in the paint and stuff also comes out of these bubbles.
GM issued a sevice bulletin on how to repair this problem but not a recall. Why? Know one knows really but with your help by calling gm with this problem they wont be able to hide the fact they used bad glue that reacts with the sun and melts it and bubbles form on the roof. Repainting the roof will not solve the problem. The sheet metal and glue needs to be replaced.

Here is a link to the service bulletin that they issued.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/attach...chmentid=30522

[2001somws6]

This is what i found out just a few hours ago.

Well i just got off the phone with GM and boy i need some lube on how bad there ramming me in the butt.

They said they wont fix their defect because im the second owner and they dont know how the car was kept up.

I ask them about the 6 year corrosion warrenty and they said its for rust. And i also asked about the "good will" and they say its up to the dealership. At this point i feel there is discrimation being played here. I say the sun is melting the glue under the sheet metal causing the paint to bubble.

And get this ****************. They say well the sun can do that. I say My parents have a 2000 toyota sitting in the sun without bubbles, a co-worker's 05 GT sitting in the parking lot all day without bubbles, my sister's 2 honda accords sitting in the sun without bubbles in the paint or my other sister's benz in the sun without bubbles. Its GM's glue used to keep the roof on. And you're telling me you're not going to fix your defect on the car you built with your materials.

Its time to mention names and numbers to the BBB and the local newspapers automotive dept and let everyone know that GM uses defected parts and dont hold up to their mess up and DISCRIMINATE to get out of what they messed up on.


GM=

[RamJam]

yea its ridiculous....i honestly HATE GM build quality....cracks in dashes....bad glue etc etc.....

i have a friend with a 00' that its gotten VERY bad in.....and a guy wiht an 02 SS 25,000 miles....cleanest LS1 ive ever seen and its starting to get his too....mine you can finally start seeing too...its ridiculous


and GM never wants to take up for their faults...."Why is my LS1 burning oil"


GM rep : "ehh...uhh....its designed to do that "

[keliente@pcmforless.com]

I understand you're mad, and rightfully so. It's not really cool that a lot of f-body owners have this problem.

With that being said, you have to look at it from GM's standpoint. Your car is six years old now, with who knows how many miles. Sure it might have been in good shape when you got it, but you haven't owned it since day one, honestly you really don't know how it was cared for. Also GM doesn't feel like they should have to do anything - you're not the original owner of the car, thus your loyalty with GM isn't really a leg to stand on.

When you buy a used car, you are buying all of its problems. You could just have easily have bought a VW Jetta and dealt with a faulty brake light switch every month, that VW won't pay for. You could have bought a Dodge intrepid 2.7L car whose engine seizes up as soon as its out of warranty. Each brand is going to have its problems - it's up to you as a wise consumer to be aware of these things before you buy. You can't rely on the manufacturer to fix problems of an out-of-warranty, second hand car.

Think about it...whether its bubbling paint, bad engines, etc how long do you really expect a manufacturer to warranty it? 5 years? 10 years? Forever? Do you know how much money it would cost if GM just granted magic paint job fixes to anyone who complained about it? It's not feasible. Manufacturers may be stepping up their warranty game now - but in 98-02, you only had a 3 yr/36k mile warranty and that's just the way it was.

Now - that doesn't mean it can't happen. It is truely up to the dealership. You will have to present a good case to them, sell yourself as to why they should fix it for free. It would help if you had bought a car from them, or had only used them to service your vehicles - to prove that you are a worthy customer for them to help out. Otherwise, you're basically asking for free paint/labor, and the best you can really expect is for them to help you with the cost, maybe split 50/50 or so.

[2001somws6]

I disagree. I only have 40k on the car now and got her at 15k. So with 15k on the clock it coundnt have been taken care of to bad. And its not like im going to spend 19k on POS. And i know of many owners that got this fixed for free under the 6 year corrosion warranty or a "good will" fix wich is up to the dealership. But the pontiac dealership i take it to does not have a colision center. So i have to take it to one that has one. And my loyalty with GM is that this is my fourth GM. And just last month i got a recall notice in the mail for bad cats. Yep and the car is six years old. And as paying 50/50. I didnt use the glue used to keep the roof on. And how dose A GM rep go about saying the sun does that to paint. Well this is my second f-body with this problem so its more than a chance. And then all cars in the world would have paint bubbles.

And yes i do belive that if i bought a car that has oil in the cylinder its all my problem. But yet again i didnt use the glue that is melting under the sheet metal and leaking out of the bubbles.

And yes there should be a limit to which cars should be fixed. Like someone that never washes the car and parks under trees and which is a POS. But here we have a car that has been to count less shows,been in magazines,sponsered,car of the month for mothers,meguiars and a show stoper on a 1000 point judge show and getting best f-body at an all GM show (people choise) and out judged a top to bottom restored 67 camaro vert. So she has been very very taken of.

OH most of all the car king him self Barry meguiar him self was drooling over my car and sigined it and love how good the paint looks. I have pics if you would like to see.

And i forgot to post this and mention to GM none of my sisters 3 vettes paint bubble. They just used cheap glue and i dont feel i should pay up to 800 dollars for there cheap glue. There is a class action lawsuit that i just joined and sent a letter to local news chanels and news papers.

[RamJam]

And yes there should be a limit to which cars should be fixed. Like someone that never washes the car and parks under trees and which is a POS. But here we have a car that has been to count less shows,been in magazines,sponsered,car of the month for mothers,meguiars and a show stoper on a 1000 point judge show and getting best f-body at an all GM show (people choise) and out judged a top to bottom restored 67 camaro vert. So the she has been very very taken of.

OH most of all the car king him self Barry meguiar him self was drooling over my car and sigined it and love how good the paint looks. I have pics if you would like to see.

you car = teh sekz

[Art Vandaley]

i have the same bubbling... im scared to even call up the gm boys because they will just kick me out the door.

[RamJam]

i myself have learned to live with it....i have a DD car that sleeps outside....i can learn to live with some bubbles.....i just like to complain lol

[keliente@pcmforless.com]

Originally Posted by 2001somws6

But yet again i didnt use the glue that is melting under the sheet metal and leaking out of the bubbles.

But you bought the car that had the problem...

I guess I just don't get it. If this was my problem I would just take matters into my own hands. Well, warranty's out, dealership doesn't care - time to just take action and do it myself. Though I am five f-bodies deep and have never had this issue. To me this is like any other 'typical' fbody problem...whether you cite the inevitable failing of the 10 bolt, the oil consumption, piston slap, etc it's just part of the whole package.

Good luck though, hopefully they can work something out for you.

[2001somws6]

Yes, I bought the car. But at that point in time there were no bubbles. And after taking care of car for almost 3 years...they are now showing up. And its not from lack of care for the car. As I stated before the car is immaculate and I have hundreds of pictures to prove it.

I shouldnt have to pay for their mistake. The condition of the car before I had it doesnt matter. Especially since the bubbles werent on the car when I bought it. If they were...I wouldnt have signed the papers and drove it off the lot.

I'll go as far as it takes.

[TORKMONSTA]

where are your bubbles? I've started to develop little bubbles in the clear in the roof right behind the T Tops and I know it's nothing about how I keep the car clean and all that cause it just so happens that the spots for the bubbles are at exact increments across the roof almost like that's where the "points" of glue are or something. I'll post pics sometime soon

[2001somws6]

I dont care about the 10 bolt failing. I do have a warranty that would cover that. And i dont have piston slap and the oil. A quart of oil is normal. And please park your f-bodys in the sun for a few days and give it time they will bubble. And how do i know of this problem until it happens. And yet the fact i am starting to see some clear coat come of and i will be paying that myself.

And from a e-mail i got the other day from the tech guy at high performance pontiac he also had this happen. And my 2001 camaro had this same issue. And it got fixed for free.


"fivepointsevenLS1"

The bubbles will appear along the roof line. In a row. Just were the glue was applyed. I have seen them tare the roof off my camaro.


I just got a call back from GM after i filed a complaint with the BBB.

[AlmostJimmyPage]

im prolly late to the party on this but i took my 01 z/28 to the Chevy dealer and they replaced the top for free.................NEEDLESS TO SAY THEY F***** UP my stripping along the hardtop, and put a dent in my driver door (i know they did because the sprayed a section on the door and its rough now when i wash it) AND THEY filled my car with 9 qts of oil upon which when i drove home i drained, and only got 1000 miles on my synthetic motor oil.......they wouldnt give me my money on that or the door.

they said will giveyou a free oil change...>F*** that when u cant even add oil correctly...

sorry venting.

[RamJam]

Originally Posted by AlmostJimmyPage

im prolly late to the party on this but i took my 01 z/28 to the Chevy dealer and they replaced the top for free.................NEEDLESS TO SAY THEY F***** UP my stripping along the hardtop, and put a dent in my driver door (i know they did because the sprayed a section on the door and its rough now when i wash it) AND THEY filled my car with 9 qts of oil upon which when i drove home i drained, and only got 1000 miles on my synthetic motor oil.......they wouldnt give me my money on that or the door.

they said will giveyou a free oil change...>F*** that when u cant even add oil correctly...

sorry venting.

how many miles were on your car when they replaced it?

[AlmostJimmyPage]

imgonna say 30k or so.......i had the fish eye effect on the paint and they said it was a defect when i turned it in